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STEPHEN SMITH  - Wednesday, 24th September, 2008

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It has certainly created plenty of political hot air before they flew out, but what are Kevin Rudd, these days Kevin 747 to Malcolm Turnbull and co, and his Foreign Minister, Stephen Smith doing exactly over in the Big Apple this week? There's a small matter of an impending financial global meltdown, sparked by the US credit debacle. 120 odd world leaders at the UN General Assembly to discuss how the laudable goal of reducing world poverty by half is faring, climate change, of course. Australia's ambitious attempt to snare a seat on the UN Security Council plus what is a dangerously brittle world generally right now. Enough you'd think to make chewing the diplomatic and political fat for a few days other than a complete waste of time. George Negus spoke to Stephen Smith earlier today about these and other pressing things internationally.

GEORGE NEGUS: Stephen Smith thank you very much for giving us your time because things are a bit hectic where you are at the moment?

STEPHEN SMITH, FOREIGN MINISTER: My pleasure George.

GEORGE NEGUS: I was thinking this morning that you and Kevin Rudd must be going a bit cross-eyed at the moment because you must be keeping one eye on the UN and the other eye on Wall Street. What would you say is the gravest situation that you guys are having to deal with at the moment - the money, or the UN situation or both?

STEPHEN SMITH: In some respects it is both. The immediate crisis, if I can put it that way, is underpinning the international financial system. We welcome very much the US Government's intervention of $700 billion intervention to underpin the financial services market in the US. Our own analysis so far as Australia is concerned is that we think not so much that we're immune but we're in good shape to absorb any of the difficulties but the overall problem, of course, is in a context of declining economic growth internationally. We're very concerned about the adverse international repercussions of the shock to the financial system. There's no doubt that that's become the topic of conversation amongst leaders.

GEORGE NEGUS: How do you describe what's, the so-called bailout? Depending upon whether you're coming from it from the left or the right - it's either being called the socialisation of the free market or regulated capitalism. Can they have it both ways? How do you describe what’s going on?

STEPHEN SMITH: Some people are describing it in both ways. It’s not every day you see a $700 billion intervention. It's one of those cases where whilst there might be some criticism for or about the action, the consequences of doing nothing were far greater, far greater not just for the American financial system and market, but internationally. And, the reason the Australian Government has welcomed it is because the consequences of doing nothing would have been catastrophic.

GEORGE NEGUS: Does it bother you, though, that the details seems to be pretty thin on the ground? Exactly what this $700 billion bailout is going to mean - people complaining that where is the detail fellers?

STEPHEN SMITH: What's occurring here, I think, is you've had both presidential candidates, Senator Obama and McCain, indicating the course of today, New York time, that whilst in general terms they are supportive, they are starting to put some parameters, requests for detail, concern about whether the bailout of the market also includes a bailout of things like performance bonuses to executives. The consequences of a failure to intervene here would have been catastrophic for the American market and, as a consequence, catastrophic for the international economy, and for the international community.

GEORGE NEGUS: Now, of course, the Secretary General of the UN, one of your major Considerations in this situation, is urging the richest nations to spend more money but he's also saying that this credit crisis, that's now acknowledged as being global, could actually get in the way of the UN's millennium goals to reduce poverty, to increase health, to improve education which is aimed at 2015, this could upset that apple cart completely from the UN's point of view?

STEPHEN SMITH: The Secretary General made his opening address and he started with the financial services crisis, and he did make that point. There's no doubt that's a valid point. And there is that old adage that the best form of development assistance, the best form of aid is economic growth. And, so, if we find a contraction in the international and domestic economies, then nation states will find it more difficult to meet their development assistance aspirations.

GEORGE NEGUS: We still haven't met our aid goals at all? We're under the mark?

STEPHEN SMITH: The Government came to office with the commitment to increase our development assistance to 0.5% of GNI, gross national income, by 2015. We're on track to do that, and we fully intend to meet that.

GEORGE NEGUS: Isn't 0.7 the figure we're supposed to be aiming at?

STEPHEN SMITH: That's an aspiration. The PM, when he was Opposition leader, indicated that was an aspiration that he would set for the long term, but the express election commitment we gave was 0.5% of GNI by 2015. We're on track to do that.

GEORGE NEGUS: You must be breathing a sigh of relief, you and the PM at the moment, because he was criticised for going to the UN in the first place and now it would appear that the world credit crisis of the UN meeting that you're at, they're now being linked? You must be heaving a sigh of political relief at the stick you got here back at home?

STEPHEN SMITH: The PM always intended to attend the General Assembly. The fact there is an international crisis in a particular area, which gives good reason for him to be in conversation about that matter with his colleagues, with other leaders of nation states, just shows the opportune manner and the opportune way in which gathering together at the United Nations is a sensible thing to do. There will be conversations about financial services because that's pressing upon us at the moment, but there will also be conversations about working together on climate change, working together on food and food security, working together on the millennium development goals. These are all things which advance, not just Australia as a good international citizen, but also advance our national interest.

GEORGE NEGUS: If we have the time, and I've scribbled out a list here, we could be talking about Pakistan's sovereignty and the fight against terrorism and the American reaction to that. South Africa's in turmoil, half of their cabinet has resigned overnight. Zimbabwe is still unsettled with Mugabe hanging around. Russia and the US are talking about a new cold war. China's economic development, let alone Iraq and Iran and you point out climate change - we live in interesting times to say the least. Could I ask you about the upcoming American election, because, as you said, a corner stone of Kevin Rudd's policy and therefore yours, is the alliance with the US. Are you going to try and tell me it doesn't make a scrap of difference to that who's elected in the first week of November, Barack Obama or John McCain? I know the usual line is, "We can work with anybody."

STEPHEN SMITH: It doesn't to us because we deal with whoever the US democratic system throws up and that's one of the enduring strengths of the alliance between Australia and the US. Whether that's Labor or Liberal in Australia, or Republic or Democrat here, the alliance continues. You might recall that our political opponents in Australia in the run-up to the last election were saying if Labor was elected, the alliance would be ruined, and of course that was never going to occur and hasn't occurred. Whoever is victorious, whether it's Obama or McCain, we will deal with that administration just as we continue to work closely with the Bush Administration in the final few months of the current administration's tenure.

GEORGE NEGUS: Let me put it this way. John McCain has said both candidates in this presidential election have pledged to end the war in Iraq and bring the US troops home. You and Kevin Rudd would obviously agree with that. But would you agree with the next bit, he said the difference between the great difference between he and Barack Obama is that he, John McCain, intends to win the war first. Now Kevin Rudd was opposed to the war, I presume you were opposed to the war. This bloke McCain still reckons he's not going to get out of there until he wins it, whatever that means. That's the difference I've been pointing out. You'd have to agree that's a hard one for you to swallow?

STEPHEN SMITH: I'm not going to agree to any of the suggestions you're making to me, George, because to do that would be to inveigle myself in to essentially the domestic political environment in the US and I'm not proposing to do that because we will deal with whoever the American people throw up for us to deal with.

GEORGE NEGUS: How's your blitz going to get Australia in to the UN Security Council because we haven't been there for 60-odd years? Why would people want us to be there now?

STEPHEN SMITH: We make the point that we think we've got a lot to offer on the Security Council. It's the key peace and security body of the United Nations. Australia's got a long and proud history of engagement in peacekeeping and we think from time to time we have the values and the virtues and characteristics to sit at the Security Council. I have to say that the initial response to our candidateture has been very good. I think a lot of the feedback I get from colleague foreign ministers is that they see a new government. They've been impressed by our commitment to ratify Kyoto. There's been a lot of commentary about the apology that we made. But that good sentiment, we have to transfer in to votes. And that's a 4-year campaign. A lot of the conversations I have with colleague foreign ministers is not just about our candidateture, I've just come from a bilateral meeting with the South African Foreign Minister and made the point we wanted to enhance our engagement not just with South Africa but with Africa generally and there was a warm response to that.

GEORGE NEGUS: You've confirmed one thing for us - South Africa still has a foreign minister at this point. There was some doubt that they might?

STEPHEN SMITH: What we want to see in South Africa is of course stability. And I had a good conversation with the foreign minister who is very confident that in the course of the next few days, the new president will be confirmed. A number of the ministers who have resigned have resigned on a point of principle which is there's a new president. But more than half of those who've resigned have offered themselves again in a new administration. So, I'm hopeful and on the basis of my conversation confident that in the course of the next few days we will see South Africa's political process and parliamentary and democratic process bring that to a conclusion and we'll see stability, which of course what we want to see.

GEORGE NEGUS: Stephen Smith, it's good talking to you. There were so many things we could talk about because it's almost a case of crisis, what crisis in the world? Thanks very much.

STEPHEN SMITH: My pleasure. Thank you.